[Friday, 23. May 2014] [14:33:12] Join gac410 has joined this channel (~gac410@foswiki/developer/gac410). [Friday, 23. May 2014] [14:42:40] Join Lynnwood has joined this channel (~lynnwood@foswiki/developer/lynnwood). [Friday, 23. May 2014] [14:58:27] Hello [Friday, 23. May 2014] [14:58:42] good morning (or whenever) all [Friday, 23. May 2014] [14:59:33] pharvey appears to be absent [Friday, 23. May 2014] [14:59:54] Yeah he didn't reply to any of the emails. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:00:11] are we missing anyone else? [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:01:12] Lynnwood & MichaelDaum_ appear to be connected. Just not saying hello [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:01:39] Hello [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:01:41] Hello :-) [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:02:23] Paul did reply to an email talking about connecting, alas in two hours from now. I'm not sure he picked on the suggested earlier time [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:02:56] He wasn't on the GA, was he? [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:03:02] No [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:03:29] His status on google is connected but "Away" [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:04:09] His last reply was yesterday "It's possible I can make Friday 01:00am my time, but my family will be asleep so I'd much prefer an IRC interaction. " [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:04:31] http://foswiki.org/Community/AssociationBoard nu faces nu faces [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:05:20] hm... we don't meet very often do we. :) [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:05:34] Well, I'm not sure of all the rules. I need to find all the FA stuff f.o. and study them [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:05:48] same here. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:06:10] Presumably in Paul's absence we can discuss but not agree anything official [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:06:17] The time doesn't matter too much to me. Do we want to just wait to see if he shows up? [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:06:49] I was gooing to suggest we start out folks simply listing possible items for board agenda or attention both soon and in coming months. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:07:38] I think that's reasonable, can we log this discussion for Paul's sake? [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:07:47] hm it is 23:07 atm in Brisbane. later times might be worse for Paul... [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:07:49] that’s what i was thinking [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:08:16] My irc client has got log files. I can post them to Paul if he doesnt show up. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:09:09] Okay with me. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:09:14] still wrapping my head around the time diffs. So he’s in Brisbane… that does make it difficult. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:09:19] Well let's build an agenda then. I'm happy to reconnect later and have a chat to Paul [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:09:39] We may have to refine our skills at asynschronous meeeting. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:09:43] we have to elect a chairman and a treasurer. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:10:02] other than that I dont know [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:10:55] Yes let's elect, presumably Paul can concur or object later [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:11:13] y [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:11:57] As I said in emails I'm offering to be Treasurer - at least I'm and EU citizen and close to Germany [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:12:09] excellent [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:12:38] Paul just arrived....hold on. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:13:02] Join pharvey has joined this channel (~csirac2@foswiki/developer/pharvey). [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:13:05] I've emailed Oliver to ask about the legal details. If there any any issues with that I'll have to report back [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:13:06] Sorry I'm late [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:13:09] excellent [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:13:11] no worries [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:13:18] Actually your early (sort of) [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:13:36] Hi Paul. Good you made it. I know it is late in Brisbane... [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:14:06] I'm more of a night person than morning :) [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:14:15] Me too :( [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:14:39] pharvey, we just are about to collect stuff on our agenda: election of chairman and treasurer. that's where we are atm. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:14:46] So we have a volunteer for treasurer, Anybody interested to be chairman? [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:14:52] George has expressed earlier that he’s not interested chair position, given his responsibility as release manager. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:15:14] ... and Lynnwood volunteered as far as my memory holds. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:15:28] Yes, i’m fine with that [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:15:39] anybody else interested in chair or money? [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:16:07] * gac410 moves that the chair cast a ballot for the slate as volunteered / nominated. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:16:25] Do we have a secretary position? [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:16:34] no. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:16:37] ok [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:16:40] please clap for Julian as a new treasurer. clap. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:16:41] At least I don't think so. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:16:44] clap [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:16:52] clap, clap :-) [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:16:54] clap [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:17:00] yay [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:17:17] please clap for Lynwood as new chairman. clap. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:17:20] JulianLevens1, if there are any legal problems Oliver might still be available as a proxy. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:17:23] clap [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:17:25] clap [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:17:43] MicahelDaum: I've made that suggestion to Oliver [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:17:49] ah ok. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:18:18] I think Oliver also volunteered to manage the bank account if there were any issues with that handover. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:18:52] excellent. let's see how that goes. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:19:16] True, but I'll be trying to take as much of his responsibility away as I can, only fair [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:19:52] sounds good. So do we have a treasurer and and a chairman? [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:20:12] yep [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:20:13] welcome to your new roles within the FA :) [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:20:27] feel the power… [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:20:29] Fame at last [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:20:31] so what do we do again? [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:20:33] ;-) [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:20:47] Goodness, I haven't paid my membership. Somebody should fire pharvey [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:21:23] I've been running around looking at TaskTeams recent days: http://foswiki.org/Community/TaskTeam [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:21:37] Shall we go ahead and take care of the small detail of setting date for next year’s assembly? [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:21:38] just to find out that there were yet another two staled [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:21:39] Skimming over the FA articles, we are supposed to review the association membership, approve new members, and remove members who .. didn't attend last two meetings, didn't pay, or ... [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:21:57] and going ahead and getting in out calendar. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:22:43] okay two new agenda points: (1) membership and (2) task teams [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:23:20] anything else that we need to take care now and here? [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:24:06] I think I'd like to re-read the articles and bylaws, and maybe table any membership actions until a more careful review. ... (ie now I cant spot what I just read about memberships ) [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:24:34] I just mentioned setting date for next years assembly, just to get it on calendar. Obviously not pressing. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:24:52] i see from my emails that in 2012, it was held in December. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:25:00] I think setting that date is important [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:25:14] I just paid my 2014 fee. Whew. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:25:16] this year it was scheduled first in march but slid to may. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:25:30] So it looks like we didn’t have one in 2013 [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:26:02] Yes and it was agreed at that meeting to hold the next one early in 2014, this was to allow the finances of 2013 to be presented [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:26:16] setting it early in the year has got advantages as we can approve the financial status of the prev year. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:26:25] snap [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:26:54] we are currently on (0) dates of upcoming events [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:26:56] The articles only say "at least once a year" ... nothing specific on timing other than the first one had to be within 3 months of the filing of our papers. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:27:36] And must be 6 weeks notice. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:27:59] it appears that we didn’t actually have one during 2013 but i doubt anyone would notice. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:28:02] having it early 2015 allows Julian to give a financial report.this spares us one extra meeting. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:28:22] Perhaps in February to give January to finish up reports. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:28:33] ya sounds good. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:28:42] I do plan to have another FW Camp in Amsterdam around March 2015, I would suggest that the Assembly is held at a similar time and Feb sounds good [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:29:01] Saturdays seem to be the preferred day. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:29:02] nice. I'll definitely be there. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:29:24] i like idea of getting the assembly out of way before the camp. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:29:26] we should keep both - camp and ga - separate imho. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:29:31] Crawford posted a tentative date of March 1 ... testing the gmail "events" [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:29:32] Why mess up a good party with meeting [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:30:16] Is Saturday actually preferred? It's OK but I would prefer a weekday [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:31:20] i’m ok either way. Weekends are a little trickier to schedule with potential family conflicts [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:31:41] * gac410 has no preference [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:31:50] Another body else have opinions? [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:32:22] can't say atm. sometimes one or the other is better. depends. no preferences. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:32:45] I would like to suggest Fri 20th Feb for the assembly in 2015. In fact can we not suggest the 3rd Friday in Feb each year [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:32:49] it would appear that this time, or even a little earlier is the least bad time for our global reach. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:33:31] Third friday sounds good. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:33:33] I'll go along with that.. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:33:34] Mrs pharvey and I are expecting a new addition to our family in November :D So I'm not sure any day will be any less convenient than another :P I think my preference is Friday nights like this or weekend. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:33:51] But I'm flexible. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:33:54] pharvey: congrats! [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:33:55] Feb 20 is okay for me for GA. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:33:58] wow! Congratulations! [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:34:02] Thanks :) [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:34:06] you won’t be sleeping anyways ;-) [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:34:13] exactly! [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:34:36] Congratulations indeed [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:34:53] congrats. hope Mrs pharvey is all fine. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:35:33] Check timezones carefully, for Feb pharvey will be another 2 hours ahead of us northern hemispherers [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:35:50] ah [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:35:58] So Feb 20, 2015,. and 3rd friday of Feb. from then on. Meeting time 1200Z ... 2 hours? [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:36:31] * Lynnwood needs to pull up handy time zone converters [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:37:12] Yes. It will always be possible to adjust if required, but it really helps to have some clear structure [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:38:02] so 13:00Z will make it 8 AM newyork, 11pm Brisbane [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:38:27] In a similar vein I hope to keep the Amsterdam Camp going as the third week of March each year [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:38:40] seems like a reasonable time for me [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:39:00] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2015&month=2&day=20&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=37&p2=224&p3=136&p4=16&p5=179&p6=47 [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:39:34] Great link, thanks [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:39:35] ya ok [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:39:38] ouch - in feb, it’s even harder to come up with shared awake time. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:39:51] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20150220&p1=224&p2=179&p3=37&p4=47 [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:40:00] here’s the range of times on that day [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:40:08] C'est la vie [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:40:13] FWIW I'm actually in Canberra but at that time of year they're the same timezone anyway :) [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:40:13] not pretty [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:40:59] * MichaelDaum updatesd http://foswiki.org/Community/AssociationBoard in the meantime [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:41:07] Join JulianLevens has joined this channel (~julian@ip54577aea.direct-adsl.nl). [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:41:33] actually. i should have removed west coast time. that really hoses it’ [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:41:56] I think the only one on west coast is Babar and he has such strange hours I don't think he counts :) [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:42:06] At least that I remember off hand [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:42:29] In the end that timing is the about the best we can do [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:43:26] it looks like somewhere in the range of 7-9am east coast time is our best shot. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:43:45] I'd suggest that we post the 1300Z as proposed time. See if anyone on west coast of US plans to attend, if not, consider pushing it even an hour or two earlier. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:44:00] that’s mid-afternoon in Germany and before midnight in Australia [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:44:06] My thougts exactly [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:44:08] We also have michael tempest ... he is in New Zealand iirc [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:44:17] sounds good [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:44:36] Quit JulianLevens1 has left this server (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:44:46] Michael Tempest? I thought he was in South Africa, or did he move? [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:45:12] Ah... maybe it's SA. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:45:15] We will not end up with perfect timing for all, but 13:00Z provides good coverage [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:45:19] It is SA [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:45:26] I thought I rememberd someone in NZ, [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:46:12] I'm usually somewhat flexible, but planning more than T+2weeks is usually fraught :) [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:46:23] Okay lets just propose 1300 and see where that gets us. 9 months leadtime should be plenty :D [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:46:29] yep [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:46:29] unfortunately, NZ is 3 hours later than Brisbane [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:46:37] sure [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:46:52] if necessary, we could move it earlier. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:47:07] i remember one year, it started about 6am my time. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:47:12] * MichaelDaum taking minutes at http://foswiki.org/Community/AssociationBoardMinutes20140523 [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:47:45] Thanks MichaelDaum [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:47:50] So as an aside, since many of us will be involved. Does this day/time work well for release meetings when they crank up for 1.2? [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:48:25] let's first record dates+times for the next GA, please. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:48:33] do we have an agreement? [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:48:38] y, i think so. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:48:39] I think so yes [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:48:43] yes [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:48:47] yes [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:49:05] 2015-02-20, at what time? url? [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:49:07] February 20, 13:00 UTC [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:49:16] So 20 Feb 2015 1300 UTC [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:49:39] thanks [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:49:52] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2015&month=2&day=20&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=37&p2=224&p3=136&p4=16&p5=179&p6=47 [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:49:57] I actually have to go in a few mins [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:50:23] Do we also agree to 3rd Fri Feb each subsequent year, remember this is not binding but useful structure [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:50:33] Yes. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:50:35] I think that's useful [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:51:08] no problems to plan this tentative. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:51:32] all we need to make sure is that we announce the real date to members early enuf [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:51:40] So we have officers, GA meeting ... any other critical business? [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:51:54] we have: [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:51:59] dates for foswiki camp [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:52:03] dates for release meeting [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:52:12] review membership [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:52:26] maybe a short discussion about my recent task team changes [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:53:20] excuse me a moment - brb [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:53:45] I propose we table membership ... and ask someone to do a renewal email again. See if anyone else pays. Maybe start a 30 day clock to drop anyone 2 years in arrears. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:54:16] +1 [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:54:43] Dates for camp. Julian suggested amsterdam 3rd week March. I 2nd that as proposed camp date. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:54:48] wait [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:55:06] * gac410 waiting [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:55:18] do we agree to defer review of membership until after a next email to those that are in danger of being downgraded? [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:55:35] that sounds sensible [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:55:45] Sounds good regarding membership reminder. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:55:51] okay fine. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:55:59] who is going to take actions sending emails? [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:56:17] I can do that [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:56:32] thanks, Lynnwood [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:56:46] I assume we could could use the foswiki association listserv? [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:56:54] candidates are those that didn't pay for 2 years or what do the articles say? [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:57:24] That's another reason to table. I need to reread the articles and bylaws without pressure from clock. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:57:37] so you’re suggesting to send out only to those members at risk of being dropped? [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:57:52] thats what I thought. low noise. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:58:03] sounds good. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:58:05] I need to study those articles and bylaws too [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:58:29] same here. i’ll go back and review the articles and send out suggested action and time frame for membership review [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:58:42] okay we don't need to decide this here. note however that we won't be able to downgrade somebody that did not get a reminder. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:58:44] Sounds good. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:58:55] sure [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:59:11] Would it not be wise to reconvene in two weeks after we've all become familiar with the articles and bylaws? [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:59:18] god knows we don’t want to un-duly shrink our small numbers [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:59:27] That does sound good. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:59:38] reconvene after review. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:59:52] So that would be June 6, 1300Z [Friday, 23. May 2014] [15:59:54] well it is okay to read the articles and then act accordingly right away. no need for another board meeting imho [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:00:30] we do need a board meeting however to actually downgrade those not responding or not wanting to continue [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:00:37] i agree in the case that the course of action is clear. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:00:53] ccol [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:00:55] okay. Do you want to make 6/6 tentative, only if we need it, based upon review of our responsibilities [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:00:56] cool* [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:02:07] make 6/6 tentative ... what do you mean [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:02:29] we meet back in 2 weeks if needed per our list of responsitibilites. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:02:59] Julian suggested: Would it not be wise to reconvene in two weeks after we've all become familiar with the articles and bylaws? [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:03:04] ya okay: next board meeting 6/6 [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:03:23] * MichaelDaum adding it to the minutes [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:03:37] sounds good. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:03:56] Okay, so camp, ga, members, all done or tabled. Next the task team discussion [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:04:21] what date did we plan the camp for, Julian? [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:04:55] JulianLevens1: I do plan to have another FW Camp in Amsterdam around March 2015, I would suggest that the Assembly is held at a similar time and Feb sounds good [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:05:06] 18th to 20th March, tentative [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:05:14] okay [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:06:07] got it minuted [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:06:13] Wed-Fri, we spent Euros 500 for the security on the Saturday this year. I think we can spend that more wisely [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:06:59] next agenda point ready? [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:07:05] task teams that is. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:07:27] http://foswiki.org/Community/TaskTeam [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:07:37] For the Task Teams, it was discussed in the last assembly. We basically ended up with only three teams to keep: Infra, Security and Release [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:07:56] just found two teams that have been abandoned and even never made it to a proper charter [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:08:02] DebianPackage and Docu [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:08:07] Translation should be folded in Infra and Release [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:08:31] true [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:08:54] Translation is closed, part of Release now. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:09:04] Other work is lead as and when somebody steps up to lead the relevant development [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:09:29] At some point we need to discuss alternative pkging. Esp. if Sven is not going to keep pkgs up to date . For now it's automated. But no need to discuss that one today. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:09:32] Security still had Kenneth as a team lead. Changed that to Crawford. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:09:37] good. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:09:41] Part of translation is infra: that is someone maintains the translation framework [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:10:36] yeah. that one really needs some discussion. I've proposed converting from Pootle to Weblate as part of git migration, But i'm not really qualified to make that determination. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:10:41] I really like to see proper debian packages. Too bad current scripts and repos are in a messy state. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:11:11] there should be a debian target in BuildContrib, as well as an official Foswiki repo. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:11:28] current shell scripts are ... ew. not sure they still work. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:11:29] I happen to be doing custom deb packaging (actually a custom deb distro) for $work. I just wish I had more energy to spend :} [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:11:34] I really believe that the alternative pkgs either need to be done RIGHT, or not done. They make us look bad when they fall out of date / have known security holes. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:11:50] agreed [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:12:20] The VM was truly embarrassing. I finally fixed that one up. The installer for OSX is another issue. As is windows. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:12:27] In fact done right also means that we can generate an up to date package automatically [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:12:37] right now there is some magic script that creates the debian/ subfolder automatically. I wonder whether we should add a debian/ subfolder to extensions regularly, being checked in to the VC system. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:13:14] The extensions are all automatically built into pkgs by Sven's script ... every night iirc. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:13:45] But if sven every leaves completely we are toast. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:13:53] right. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:14:04] that's why we have to take over responsibility for it [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:15:03] That will require someone to volunteer their time and bring it to *full* and *maintainable* completion [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:15:06] I think the reason for the DebianPackagingTaskTeam to never have been approved by the board was a clear vision of where this thing should go [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:15:09] I really don't like the project being at risk to solo individuals. But don't know how to solve it. It would be good if some of this stuff ran on the project servers. Though isn't foswiki.org just as vulnerable? [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:15:40] there are two options. forget about it, or redo it on foswiki.org. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:16:03] I use docker extenisvely at work (yes, thanks to Sven's evangalism :P) but it might be a nice way to package up the FW build environment and deploy that onto whatever resources we like. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:16:23] given that f.o runs on freebsd, won't that be a challenge. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:16:35] that's true. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:16:55] I said: That will require someone to volunteer their time and bring it to *full* and *maintainable* completion [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:17:26] what's higher priority - fixing our github repos, or fixing packaging [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:17:41] I hope to spend a few hours on something this weekend [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:17:44] * gac410 tries to avoid doing anything with f.o server ... don't know enough about freebsd. I was afraid to install vim the other day ... it will install a new perl :( [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:17:50] the other point to consider is that consultants - like me or modell aachen - have to streamline their process. either each do it in private _each_ - efforts lost if we go down - or as part of the project. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:18:09] I did not mean that the work delivered should not be under f.o. indeed the *maintainable* part was critical. That means documentation automation the works [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:18:43] Okay IMO, git and translation is the #1 priority. pootle server is dead due to a missing configuration, so we have to start from scratch on that anyway. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:19:43] ok, good to know [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:19:52] I agree, I will pray for pharvey that he regains his energy is inspired and delivers a brilliant package builder to f.o :) [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:19:59] hehe :) [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:20:17] on that note, I'd best be off [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:20:29] So we have to "reverse the flow" github -> git -> svn, and get somone who understands translation, django, python and freebsd to look at integration translate /w github [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:20:34] by pharvey Thanks! [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:20:37] pharvey, nite. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:20:38] Until then I agree with gac410 to focus on git and translation [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:20:43] g'night [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:20:51] bye pharvey [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:20:55] good sleep [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:21:48] no worries [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:21:49] thanks guys [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:22:02] and sorry about a crappy 18 months [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:22:19] np [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:22:25] No worries pharvey, We'll double your pay when you come back :) [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:22:25] But before we "just do it" we need agreement that Weblate is an acceptable replacement for pootle. And that the translation team can live with it. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:22:30] Just take care of you and your family [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:22:31] seeya :P [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:22:38] Quit pharvey has left this server (Quit: Leaving.). [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:22:50] I like just do it [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:23:29] There is no translation team any more; is now the release manager call. And who is that? [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:23:35] * gac410 is scared to death of installing software on f.o. The last attempt, gmc and babar both managed to hose up to point that gmc reinstalled from scratch. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:23:58] JulianLevens, installing weblate is done as part of Infra [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:24:21] introducing people to use it is part of getting 1.2.0 out into the wild [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:24:25] well It's RM, Not RDictator. :) And we need the people who speak more than one language and will DO the translation work to want to use the tool. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:25:20] Lead of Infra is Sven...who takes that seat? [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:25:20] The big advantage I see (from reviewing the marketing) is that it *tightly* integrates with github, and can translate across multiple branches. Which to me is a huge benefit. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:25:41] gac410, no question. sounds to be the right choise. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:26:05] gmc and babar have been the most active and knowledgable of freebsd server. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:26:37] I'll leave msg on Infra [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:27:16] good [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:27:23] crawford and you and me have all also been active on the server. But my own status is holding loaded gun waiting for the next event to crash everything. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:28:41] never actually touched anything on freebsg [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:28:44] d [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:29:39] gmc is probably the most knowledgeable, and it's his server iirc. :) [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:30:14] Babar is a close 2nd. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:30:39] yea I wished gmc was more in touch with the rest of us [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:31:06] This issue with pootle is that the configuration was actually stored in the python system libarary path. When a new version of pythyon was installed the old one, including the pootle configuration, went off into the bit bucket. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:31:30] babar recovered it once, then gmc reinstalled the system and it was lost again and more permanently [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:31:56] Quit JulianLevens has left this server (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:32:14] sounds like there are a few lessons learnt for weblate then [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:32:14] I guess we are adjourned Lost our quorum [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:32:26] we are winds-down anyway. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:32:40] Join JulianLevens has joined this channel (~julian@ip54577aea.direct-adsl.nl). [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:32:48] I know very little about python, django or wsgi. which pootle, and unfortunately weblate, both use. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:32:56] shall we close the board meeting here. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:33:15] have we lost quorum [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:33:18] Sounds good. We are at 90 minutes with no quorum [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:33:23] ok [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:33:36] * gac410 moves we adjourn [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:33:46] everything else is really more getting-things-down rather than board-ish. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:34:00] second adjourn [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:34:16] thanks guys [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:34:23] (even though strictly speaking chair is not suppose to) [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:34:26] thanks everyone [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:34:33] thanks MichaelDaum for taking notes! [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:34:37] yes thanks all, and congrats to our new officers. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:35:00] gac410, looking forward to have a release meeting with the other fossies. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:35:55] y. How much notice. I can't do next Friday. Dad has a Dr. appt, and my 40th college reunion is that weekend too. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:36:01] yikes time flies. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:36:49] no worries. just noticing that these meetings really have a positive effect. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:37:05] I'll take this discussion into the open channe. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:37:12] Quit JulianLevens has left this server (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:37:20] do we need the logfile attached to the minutes? [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:37:54] Join JulianLevens has joined this channel (~julian@84.241.192.83). [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:37:58] It appears that my wi-fi (or something) is voting to close the meeting [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:38:10] Might be nice. stick it in a block in a %TWISTY% [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:38:19] JulianLevens: we just adjourned anyway. [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:38:25] log...txt upload ;) [Friday, 23. May 2014] [16:38:37] that works too.