Release Meeting: 23 Feb 2015

 
(08:06:44 AM) gac410: hi all ...  
(08:10:26 AM) JulianLevens entered the room.
(08:14:39 AM) MichaelDaum: hey there
(08:15:06 AM) gac410: Slow start today.    And it's not even morning for most of you   :)
(08:15:12 AM) JulianLevens: Hi
(08:15:51 AM) gac410: We can start anytime I guess.   Agenda http://foswiki.org/Development/ReleaseMeeting01x02_20150223
(08:16:36 AM) MichaelDaum: okay lets go
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(08:17:08 AM) gac410: First on agenda - Translations.    Sven got the server IP mapped onto   http://translate.foswiki.org/
(08:17:22 AM) MichaelDaum: ah thats great news
(08:17:26 AM) gac410: Jast got the server onto it's dedicated IP.
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(08:18:22 AM) gac410: Jast ... just started talking about translate.   Sven got the dns updated,  so http://translate.foswiki.org is active
(08:18:26 AM) MichaelDaum: hm turkish is most behind
(08:18:48 AM) gac410: A lot of the languages were never completed.   There are 8 or so that reached 100% on 1.1.x
(08:19:16 AM) MichaelDaum: lots of strings should be revised in the sources I guess
(08:19:38 AM) gac410: Issues?
(08:19:41 AM) MichaelDaum: stuff like !-- this is a comment --
(08:19:42 AM) jast: unfortunately I can't really stick around much. I know there's an issue with automatically updating from github; I'll get that figured out.
(08:20:08 AM) gac410: okay jast.     In the meantime,  can we use the manual pull?
(08:20:19 AM) gac410: and push process or should we hold off a while
(08:20:40 AM) jast: just try it, I think. if you get any errors/problems, let me know.
(08:20:43 AM) MichaelDaum: wasn't there a way for the string to find out where it came from?
(08:20:54 AM) gac410: MichaelDaum:    Yes .. .I recall seeing it.   
(08:21:23 AM) MichaelDaum: ah there it is ... need to accustomed to the new ui
(08:21:59 AM) gac410: yup  right sidebar   Source string location   JQueryPlugin/data/System/JQueryRender.txt:160
(08:22:52 AM) gac410: oka jast.    Thank you very much for all your work on this.        Virtual beers around for Jast!
(08:23:15 AM) MichaelDaum: why does it extract a translatable string from  {{!-- this is a comment --}} ... from there
(08:23:51 AM) gac410: No idea.    It should only be translating Foswiki.pot   I thought.
(08:25:09 AM) jast: .pot is another sticky issue I have to get figured out
(08:25:10 AM) MichaelDaum: Foswiki.pot is generated automatically harvesting all %MAKETEXT occurrences and such ... though the string above isn't meant to be translated
(08:26:07 AM) gac410: hm.   Something is wrong ...   The adjacent string  -  Seems to also want to translate a variable name    SubscribePlugin/lib/Foswiki/Plugins/SubscribePlugin.pm:109
(08:26:42 AM) gac410: Looks like it's pulling strings from the .pm and .js files rather than only the extracted files.
(08:27:54 AM) gac410: Hm.    no... it's an issue with Foswiki.pot.    The string was extracted by xgettext 
(08:28:37 AM) gac410: Same with $actionName
(08:32:03 AM) gac410: Those strings are not in Release01x01 Foswiki.pot.   So a mystery to resolve with xgettext.   Doesn't seem to be an issue with weblate.
(08:32:35 AM) MichaelDaum: though we might be better fixing xgettext before we start translations
(08:33:17 AM) gac410: Seems to have been added by my xgettext run in January.
(08:34:04 AM) gac410: okay ... lets table that for this meeting.   Anyone here familiar enough with xgettext to look into this?   
(08:36:03 AM) gac410: Anything else on translations.     I suggest that anyone multi-lingual ought to try weblate.  Get registered, and work with it a bit  and provide feedback at next meeting.
(08:36:29 AM) gac410: Unfortunately this is an area where I'm just not going to be much help.
(08:37:25 AM) gac410: Going.. Going..  Gone.     Next on agenda.  Release blockers
(08:38:00 AM) MichaelDaum: what do we have there
(08:38:20 AM) gac410: CDot added a configure blocker.  ... no way back to the wiki from configure.   I proposed a solution, but it violated some of the design 
(08:38:35 AM) gac410: I added a blocker last night.  ... and escalated a couple as well.   
(08:39:04 AM) MichaelDaum: which task item is it
(08:39:31 AM) ***MichaelDaum not sure this is rather a blocker as it doesnt break anything
(08:39:33 AM) gac410: http://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item13270      No way back to wiki from configure
(08:39:33 AM) gac410: http://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item13271      The Copy a topic dialog is broken
(08:40:11 AM) gac410: yeah.   The blockers is more a list of stuff we really really want to fix.   :P    Otherwise they are lost in the noise.  
(08:40:49 AM) gac410: I raised http://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item8966 to blocker.       Editing topic with    %<nop>SOMEMACRO%      removes the nop's on save.
(08:41:14 AM) gac410: So all escaped macros become live after edit.  :(
(08:42:04 AM) gac410: I also escalated http://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item13178 ...   Something is expanding macros on [[%SYSTEMWEB%.Topic][left side of link]]     to System.
(08:42:18 AM) MichaelDaum: 8966 is bad
(08:42:19 AM) gac410: I added a unit test for it, and it passes.  
(08:42:32 AM) MichaelDaum: 13178 is bad
(08:42:41 AM) MichaelDaum: both are definitely release blockers
(08:43:16 AM) gac410: And another really annoying one.      Try to create a custom web left bar    The *My links* heading joins prior line and is no longer a heading.
(08:44:12 AM) MichaelDaum: that would be my fault
(08:44:48 AM) gac410: Seems to happen elsewhere as well.    I noticed it in the diff I posted to 8966 too.
(08:46:21 AM) gac410: http://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item13266    dependencies_installer.pl is out of date.     Unless someone wants to tackle rewrite, I think we should just drop that script,.
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(08:55:00 AM) MichaelDaum: gac410, could you elaborate / screenshot your issue wrt " The *My links* heading joins prior line and is no longer a heading"
(08:55:36 AM) JulianLevens: I'm interested in rewriting dependencies_installer, but I could not commit any sort of time scale
(08:55:51 AM) MichaelDaum: according to data/System/WebLeftBarPersonalTemplate.txt the "My links" never was a heading
(08:56:41 AM) gac410: Ah...sorry  Not heading.  It's  not bold.   Renders as   *My Links*
(08:56:47 AM) gac410: Customise this topic; samples and ideas available at %SYSTEMWEB%.WebLeftBarCookbook.
(08:56:47 AM) gac410: -->  *My links:*
(08:57:04 AM) gac410: Notice editor wraps it to --> 
(08:57:59 AM) gac410: wtf.   Okay ... I just created it on trunk.foswiki.org.    And during edit  it shows as  --> *My       But after save it renders correctly.    
(08:58:22 AM) ***gac410 is baffled.    WYSI<almost>WYG
(08:59:47 AM) MichaelDaum: oic: this is in the _WYSIWYG_ editor
(09:00:08 AM) gac410: Yes.   That's our default editor on trunk.
(09:00:34 AM) MichaelDaum: ay. got caught by a full clock 500er while trunk refreshes its checkout area
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(09:01:26 AM) gac410: Okay.   So this is mostly cosmetic.    Wysiwyg wraps during edit, and then unwraps on save.      Still very confusing.
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(09:02:45 AM) MichaelDaum: gac410, this definitely is a wysiwyg error  and not related to my reorganizing the patternskin sidebar
(09:02:53 AM) gac410: right.  
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(09:03:16 AM) MichaelDaum: <!-- ... -> $n*bold* is the test case that fails 
(09:03:25 AM) MichaelDaum: <!-- ... -> *bold* is fine
(09:03:43 AM) MichaelDaum: <!-- ... ->*bold* doesn't render bold either
(09:04:17 AM) gac410: Right.    Any markup before the * will block.   It's not just !  and <nop>    
(09:04:28 AM) MichaelDaum: ... which is okay
(09:04:33 AM) gac410: yes.  
(09:04:47 AM) MichaelDaum: though a linefeed in front of a comment line should _not_ block *bold* 
(09:05:00 AM) MichaelDaum: ^in front^following
(09:05:24 AM) gac410: Right.   It converts the linefeed into a protected whitespace span  and doesn't insert the newline.
(09:05:40 AM) MichaelDaum: whatoevre
(09:09:14 AM) gac410: Okay   any new business for the release meeting? 
(09:09:39 AM) gac410: Can anyone volunteer to investigate xgettext and why it went wrong?
(09:09:53 AM) gac410: s/Can/Will/  
(09:10:21 AM) MichaelDaum: not me this time. too much on my plate
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(09:17:17 AM) gac410: Okay.    SubscribePlugin has some bogus maketext:  $tmpl =~ s/\$action/%MAKETEXT{"$actionName"}%/g;     I don't think you can do that.     
(09:20:18 AM) MichaelDaum: how could that ever work
(09:21:47 AM) gac410: Not a chance
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(09:34:34 AM) MichaelDaum: gac410, new release blocke 4u: http://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item13065
(09:35:45 AM) gac410: Damn.   
(09:35:45 AM) gac410: Okay ... any new business?   Otherwise let's declare this release meeting closed.  Next meeting March 9th.   
(09:36:17 AM) MichaelDaum: let's continue on #foswiki
(09:36:33 AM) gac410: Jast ... should we send an email to the translation team asking them to register  and take a look at weblate
(09:37:55 AM) gac410: Okay everyone.  Thanks for attending.   see you on #foswiki
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